Something strange is happening in London.
Especially in areas with large Jewish communities. Take 14 year old Rachel, whose family lives in a north London suburb. Last month, she opened the front door to find three Orthodox Jews standing there. Greeting her warmly, they explained they were from the Beth Shalom Synagogue, and were in her area, doing ‘outreach work’. Specifically, they wanted to learn how to make Synagogue ‘more relevant’ for teenagers.
Might Rachel spare them ten minutes of her time…?
Feeling perfectly safe, Rachel invited them in, and made some tea. And for the next forty minutes,she enjoyed a lively conversation with her fellow Jews, about religion, and life in London, and sundry other topics.
And then one of these Orthodox Jews asked Rachel what she thought about Hell. Which was kind of strange – since Rachel knew that in Jewish belief there is NO ‘hell’.
Baffled, she asked ‘Chaim’ to elaborate. Leaning forward with a look of great concern, Chaim asked Rachel if she was worried about her parents, and her six year old sister. After all, surely she didn’t want them to ’spend eternity in hell?’ Chaim then explained this was just what would happen – if Rachel’s family ‘failed to find Jesus’. So Rachel now found herself, bizarrely, with three Orthodox Jews who were preaching Christianity!
Uneasy, she asked Chaim which specific Jewish sect he represented.
‘Messianic’, came the beaming response, a ‘new group in which you can remain Jewish AND still know Jesus.’
And while this did not enlighten Rachel, her mother knew precisely what it meant when she arrived home ten minutes later and threw ‘Chaim’ and his friends out.
You see, these ‘orthodox jews’ were not Jews at all.
They were Christian missionaries.
Or, as they prefer to be known, ‘messianic jews’.
Confused? That’s what Messianics count upon.
The “messianic jewish” movement has been steadily expanding across North America over the past decade. Despite claiming to be ‘jewish’, it is a purely Christian movement.
It was founded by evangelical Christians, and it is funded 100% by evangelical Churches. In short, the Messianic movement is about as ‘jewish’ as a plate of pork chops.
It’s estimated that 95% of Messianics were never Jewish to start with.
To be clear: the Messianic movement is a very specific, evangelical Christian group. It does not represent all Christians.
Indeed, many Christian movements have publicly condemned Messianics, for the lies they tell.
But don’t dismiss Messianics as some fringe cult. While it may have started that way, Messianics are managing to convert thousands of naive young Jews every year from Judaism to Christianity. The most aggressive and infamous Messianic group is ‘jews4jesus’, but this is just one group among many.
What is it that Messianics want?
Simple. The same thing that Christianity, as a movement, has wanted for some 2000 years. Namely, for Jews to accept Jesus as ’son of god’, as ‘messiah’ and as ’saviour’.
And when all their previous efforts to convert Jews failed, American evangelists rebranded. Now they call their Churches ’synagogues’, they address their preachers as ‘rabbi’, and they themselves are not ‘Christians’ but rather ‘messianic jews’.
Their target audience? Naive young Jews, who fall for the line that Messianics represent a ‘new jewish group which recognises Jesus.’
And right now in the UK, USA, Canada, and Australia, Messianics are doing a hell of a lot more than just knocking on the doors of Jewish homes.
For they are also very busy convincing the entire non Jewish world that they, the Messianics, are in fact the ‘real jews’.
Rachel was lucky. The approach made to her was clumsy and pretty much destined to fail. But numerous young Jewish students away from home for the first time have been lured into embracing Christianity without even realising it.
Take Jonathan. He was away at University, in his first year, studying Politics. When a fellow student, Suzanne, befriended him, he was delighted. She was obviously Jewish – she was wearing a Magen David.
After a few weeks, Suzanne invited Jonathan to go with her to ’synagogue’. Not the one that most Jewish students at that University preferred but another, ‘more friendly’ synagogue. Jonathan said yes, and didn’t give it another thought.
And the following Friday night, he was impressed by the warm reception he got at this ‘temple’. Everyone was smiling. Welcoming. The synagogue looked like every other synagogue he’d ever attended. The ‘Rabbi’ was charismatic, and gave an interesting service. The kiddush was lovely. Jonathan went home feeling great.
And so when, a few weeks later, Suzanne and some of the other members of the temple suggested to Jonathan that he take a look at a ‘wonderful Hebrew scripture’, he shrugged and figured, ‘Where’s the harm?’.
Suzanne explained that the scripture was called the ‘Brit Chadasha’.
She gave Jonathan some photocopied pages; an ‘English translation’. He glanced through them. They were fairly interesting. Prettily written. Jonathan had never been very into religion – sure, he was Jewish, but he wasn’t ‘observant’.
But Suzanne was keen to discuss the scriptures and Jonathan soon found himself enjoying their chats. When the name ‘Yeshua’ came up, Jonathan didn’t make the connection. He liked this new form of “messianic judaism”.
The problem? ‘Brit Chadasha’ is Hebrew for New Testament.
Jonathan had been studying the Christian bible without even knowing it!
All choice had been taken away from him, as he’d been convinced that he was simply following an authentic Jewish text, as part of an authentic Jewish group.
He was not now a ‘messianic jew’. He was now on his way out of Judaism – because for a Jew to affirm belief in Jesus or any other human as ‘divine’ is blasphemy.
Now of course, people switch faiths. Christians become Jews. Jews become Christians. But they do it consciously.
Jonathan was troubled once he discovered that he’d been so thoroughly hoodwinked. And when he confronted his Messianic ‘friends’, their response was to turn on him and issue dire warnings about his ‘fate’ if he now ‘rejected jesus’.
Messianics are also busy in cyberspace. In debate forums that feature religion as a topic, they are busy representing ‘judaism’ and convincing millions of well meaning non Jews that ‘real jews DO embrace Jesus!’
Fortunately in some forums there are genuine Jews who are countering this deception. Even then, they come under attack from the Messianics who accuse the Jews of ‘discrimination’.
In other words: Jews are being told they have to accept a Christian evangelical group as part OF Judaism – or be guilty of ‘discrimination’!
And Messianics are also busy hijacking Jewish festivals. At Pesach, hundreds of thousands of Messianics celebrate ‘the real passover’, in which Jesus is the ’sacrificial lamb’. They have also inserted Jesus into other sacred Jewish rituals and festivals, in a way that is offensive in the extreme.
In short: Messianics are slowly but surely taking everything that Judaism holds as sacred, and Christianising it.
And in doing so, they are twisting both Judaism and Christianity.
In America, Jews are actively addressing this new threat from Christian missionaries, and have organised some great resources, primarily in the form of ‘Jews For Judaism’, which aims to counter, specifically but not exclusively, ‘jews4jesus’.
But here in the UK, while Messianics are becoming more proactive, the Jewish community remains silent. Recently, ‘jews4jesus’ yet again took to the streets and started bombarding the public with leaflets and books in central London.
Yet not a single Jewish newspaper so much as mentioned this.
And let’s all be crystal clear: these evangelists have the same aim as Hitler: they wish to eradicate us.
Oh sure – they’ll do it with smiles, and they’ll claim to ‘love’ us, but make no mistake.
The Messianic movement aims to convert as many Jews as humanly possible, to its own peculiar, confused brand of evangelical Christianity. Only now, Messianics are that much cleverer. And if they have to steal our very identity in order to succeed, so be it.
Perhaps the most worrying comment comes from a 30-something Jewish man who, having battled Messianics in ‘real life’ and internet forums for several years now, concludes:
‘Within another ten years, nobody out there will even understand that these Messianics are not Jewish. For some bizarre reason, the world thinks that this group within Evangelical Christianity gets to REdefine Judaism, and just accepts whatever Messianics claim. Never mind that we genuine Jews are trying desperately to counter these evangelical lies. Nobody gives a damn.’



reformed Judaism does not believe in hell, but I think conservative and orthodox do.
Comment by Etan — May 15, 2009 @ 7:57 pm
Hi Etan
OK, just to clarify: it’s Reform Judaism, not ‘reformed’…
Also: NO Jewish movement believes in the idea of ‘hell’. It simply does not exist in Judaism. The closest we get is a form of ‘purgatory’ where the soul resides for up to one year, in order to be ‘purified’. This is described as being highly unpleasant, but bears no relation to the Christian concept of ‘hell’.
Thanks for stopping by, do visit again
Comment by Jew With A View — May 15, 2009 @ 8:11 pm
Hi Jew with a view. Good site, found you through the harrys place comments.
Living in central london, I haven’t encountered these lot so far. I remember there being a jews4jesus shop on finchley road a few years back but don’t hear that much in the jc or otherwise. If you know where these guys meet up in the west end, let me know. It could make for some interesting conversation
. Keep up the good work.
Comment by J — May 22, 2009 @ 3:28 pm
Many thanks
‘jews4jesus’ are becoming a bit more active in the UK, I believe. I don’t know where they tend to congregate, though I know they have a nasty habit of standing on street corners in central London and brandishing their deceitful literature, just as they do in Israel…!
Messianics are also very busy in online forums, where they claim to represent ‘the true jews’. You’ll find conversations with them extremely frustrating, trust me!
But all Jews and Christians do need to counter their lies. In America, ‘jews4jesus’ and other Messianics are spending millions every year on their conversion drives.
If you get a minute ,check out the follow up piece to The Missionary Position: ‘Debating Messianics’
Comment by Jew With A View — May 22, 2009 @ 3:52 pm
Heh, religion is nuts!
Comment by commenter — May 23, 2009 @ 7:22 am
I’ve seen Jews for Jesus in London. I guess I don’t get the idea behind the post.
If people want to be deceptive, they will have to reap the rewards of their deception.
On the other hand people have a right to make up their own minds for themselves without being manipulated by either deception on the one hand or misinformation about “Christians” and their “Hitler-like” (when will we get over this?) ways on the other.
To tell someone that they cannot be Jewish and believe in Jesus yet say they can be Jewish and Atheist is rank nonsense and the kind of willful collective self-deception that drives people into non-observance.
Comment by John — May 25, 2009 @ 12:49 am
John:
I’m afraid you have misunderstood. Allow me to clarify:
Of course, Jews can and do believe that Jesus existed.
But no Jew can *worshiip* Jesus as divine, without violating core Jewish beliefs.
No Jew can affirm belief in a ‘virgin birth’, without violating core Jewish beliefs.
No Jew can accept that a man ‘died for the sins of others’ without violating core Jewish beliefs.
No Jew can affirm belief in Jesus as ‘maschiach’, without violating core Jewish beliefs.
Does that make it clearer?
To put it another way: just as nobody can declare ‘Jesus never existed’ and STILL claim to be a Christian, so too, nobody can worship Jesus and STILL claim to be a part of Judaism.
Now to clarify about being a Jewish Atheist:
Granted, Atheism is not the ideal path for any Jew. But – whether you like it or not – it IS entirely possible, according to JEWISH religious law, to be both Jewish AND an Atheist.
A person who is born into the Jewish family *remains* part of it unless they adopt ANOTHER RELIGION.
Now, I’m sure you would agree that Atheism is *not* a ‘religion’. Thus a Jewish Atheist is merely a non practising Jew.
An analogy: let’s say you’re an American. You were born in America, to American parents. But you’re not patriotic. You don’t celebrate Thanksgiving, nor any other American custom.
You are still an American.
But, let’s say that you moved to another country. You now live in Denmark. You get a Danish passport, you swear allegiance to the Danish people and to the nation of Denmark. Nothing alters the fact that you were originally born an American BUT you are NOW a Dane.
Now, it used to be – is it still this way? – that America did not PERMIT any American to have dual nationality.
Let’s suppose this is still the case. You have to choose – you CANNOT be BOTH an American AND a Dane.
This is, of course, the exact same situation we have with being Jewish AND any other faith – Judaism does not permit DUAL religious affiliation.
And again, the fact that *you* personally may not agree, is neither here nor there. I personally do not like the Catholic stance on abortion. But so what?
I don’t get to rock up and REdefine it!
I don’t get a say of any kind on the stance taken by the Catholic Church.
So when it comes to Jewish identity, what you dismiss as ‘rank nonsense’ and ‘willful collective self deception’ is nothing of the kind. It is simply JUDAISM defining JEWISH identity.
Finally, with regard to the Christian Evangelicals who pose as ‘messianic jews’, you state:
“On the other hand people have a right to make up their own minds for themselves without being manipulated by either deception on the one hand or misinformation about “Christians” and their “Hitler-like” (when will we get over this?) ways on the other.”
Again, you are misunderstanding:
When this specific set of Christians dress up like Orthodox Jews; when they call their Church a ’synagogue’; when they name their Priest a ‘rabbi’ and then they declare themselves ‘jews’ then it is THESE PEOPLE and ONLY these people who are guilty of ANYTHING.
They deliberately target naive young Jews, who have never heard of the Messianic movement, and who genuinely fall for the line that ‘jews4jesus’ is a ‘genuine jewish sect that worships jesus’.
How are young Jews, being deceived so appallingly, ‘making up their own minds’???
Answer: they are not.
I clearly stated in the article: Jews do convert to Christianity and that is their right.
But no honourable person would ever seek to condone the utter lies told by Messianics.
Comment by Jew With A View — May 25, 2009 @ 3:36 pm
Dear “Jew with a view”
I’ve been reading several of your posts, and as a Christian, obviously this one got me thinking most deeply. I will have to say, that I agree with you in that it’s not right for a Christian to disguise himself — even for the sake of “winning” people to Christ.
Paul stated in his letter to the Philippians that he had much to boast about in his own Jewish heritage. “circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews…”
But, after conversion, he then concludes that he will abandon those ties for the sake of Christ. “I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things.”
Now, many Messianic Jews probably cite a different quotation of Paul from his first letter to the Corinthian church. “I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.” But, I don’t think Paul had in mind deception here. The context presents something more like: if you’re dining with a Jew, don’t order a pork chop
I do have a question for you regarding the worship of Christ as being an instant grounds for abandonment of Judaism on the grounds that it is pluralistic (an addition to the One God).
In Daniel 7:13-14, there is a figure described as “Son of Man” who is led into the presence of the Ancient of Days (God) and who is then given power and reign forever (presumably a fulfillment of David’s covenant) and who is “worshiped.” Yes, he is worshiped! How does a Jew explain this text? How can someone other than God be worshiped even in God’s own presence without it being idolatrous and worthy of judgment?
Now, I know you’ve mentioned elsewhere that you feel the Christian Old Testament is a mistranslated version of the original Hebrew, but I was unable to find that post to see if you’ve already addressed this. Feel free to point me there, if you don’t mind.
Thanks,
Nick Carter
Comment by Nick Carter — May 26, 2009 @ 12:08 pm
Dear Nick,
Many thanks for stopping by with such an interesting comment and question
I enjoyed reading your interpretation of that particular comment of Paul’s – ‘I’ve become all things…’ – as it’s something I’ve always wondered about! I shall certainly bear in mind the point you have made.
Before I address your query, I’d really like to clarify a point that I worry gets lost in Jewish-Christian dialogue at times. Namely: it’s not worship of Jesus per se that contradicts Judaism. It would be worship of *any* human who proclaimed himself ‘divine’.
I just want to make it clear that it is not Christianity in and of itself that would contradict Torah, but rather any worship of anyone or anything other than G-d.
Re Daniel – I’m going to doublecheck my own Tanakh on this before offering an answer, as I want to give you an accurate response. Watch this space! I’ll post an answer within the next few hours
Comment by Jew With A View — May 26, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
NICK:
As I suspected, it doesn’t read ‘worship’. The Hebrew translates to ’serve’ or ’served’.
Nor is there a phrase ’son of man’ – rather it says ‘one like a man’.
Hope that helps to answer; please feel most welcome to post any other thoughts or comments you may have
Comment by Jew With A View — May 26, 2009 @ 3:27 pm
Nick:
I’ve just read up a bit more about that particular phrase ‘the son of man’ and apparently, even in several Christian versions of the OT it doesn’t appear. Rather:
In other translations (NIV, NASB, AMP, ESV, CEV, ASV, RSV, YLT, and DARBY) it is interpreted as “A son of man” or even more simply (NLT) as “A man”. Thus, the phrase like others in the book refers not to a particular person but to someone in general.
- source: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:a_N5id6njFcJ:www.progressiveu.org/132214-skeptical-bible-study-daniel-chapter-7-daniels-vision-of-the-4-beasts+Judaism+Daniel+Chapter+7&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Hope that helps
Comment by Jew With A View — May 26, 2009 @ 3:35 pm
Thanks for the clarification. Daniel is a tricky book because it wasn’t entirely written in Hebrew, but a good mix of Aramaic and Hebrew. The underlying word in question translated by some as “serve” and “worship” by others was an Aramaic word. It would be very clean and easy if Daniel would have used some common Hebrew root that we could cross-reference with other uses to see it’s real meaning, but he didn’t.
It’s also worthy of note that the septuagint translators did NOT use diakano — the common word for serving — in their translation of Daniel, but rather latreuō — which connotes religious service and worship. It’s service in the way a priest would serve in a temple. I realize that’s a translation in and of itself, but helpful to see how the Rabbis viewed the verse in 300 B.C.
Son of Man… I’ll need to do more research on this. The word structure is interesting. A literal translation might be a “Son of a Son.” In any case, Jesus sure liked the phrase and repeatedly referenced it in regard to Himself… which kinda tells how He interpreted it, at least.
Comment by Nick Carter — May 26, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
Let’s clarify about the Septuagint.
Only the Torah part of this – the five books of Moses – was translated by Jews into the Greek. The rest was translated by non Jews. That’s possibly why you find that in the Septuagint, it says ‘worship’ rather than ’serve’
In fact, later on, all of the Septuagint was revised and other books added to it that are not part of Jewish scriptures. In general, the Septuagint has never been regarded as a ‘Jewish’ text, in fact.
Let me know if you research the ’son of man’ further, I’ll be interested to know your conclusions
Comment by Jew With A View — May 26, 2009 @ 6:01 pm
While I agree with the original post (God never wants us to be co-erced into loving Him-hence Original Sin), I don’t agree that the Septuagint was added to and never was considered canonical-in fact, Jesus and the apostles quote the Septuagint version of scripture.
That’s ok, interesting discussion.
Comment by David — May 26, 2009 @ 11:10 pm
Thanks for your comments.
Jesus would have learned Hebrew, and would have read the Tanakh, in Hebrew. It doesn’t really make sense, I don’t think, to suppose that he would have chosen a Greek version, which wasn’t even entirely translated by his fellow Jews, over the original Hebrew scriptures which of course he would have grown up hearing and reading from, in the Synagogue.
Also, it is objective fact that the Septuagint was revised. It was never considered a Jewish text, by Jews – thus it wasn’t a Jewish text. After all, if it’s not considered Jewish by Judaism, then that’s not really something one can ‘disagree’ with…
The Septuagint, as it exists today, is a creation of the Church. It is the official ‘old testament’ of the Greek Orthodox Church, in fact. It also now contains additional books (the Apocrypha) which are uniquely sacred to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church,. Clearly, then, it is not in any respect a Jewish text.
A number of Christians – including Origin and Lucian -had an enormous impact on creating and shaping the Septuagint.
And to reiterate: the original Septuagint translated by rabbis more than 22 centuries ago was only of the five books of Moses and did not include prophetic books of the Bible such as Isaiah. This is confirmed by, among other things, the ancient Letter of Aristeas, which is the earliest reference to the Septuagint.
The Talmud also states this in Tractate Megillah (9a), and Josephus also notes that the Septuagint was a translation only of the five books of Moses in his preface to Antiquities of the Jews.
Jerome, a Church figure and Bible translator, supports Josephus’ statement regarding the authorship of the Septuagint in his preface to The Book of Hebrew Questions.
But let’s leave the final word to Dr F.F. Bruce, a professor of Biblical exegesis. He notes that the Septuagint deals only with the books of Moses: “The Jews might have gone on at a later time to authorize a standard text of the rest of the Septuagint, but . . . lost interest in the Septuagint altogether. With but few exceptions, every manuscript of the Septuagint which has come down to our day was copied and preserved in Christian, not Jewish, circles.”
Comment by Jew With A View — May 26, 2009 @ 11:41 pm
Considering Dr. Bruce is an evangelical, I’d rather not.
Of the places where the New Testament quotes the Old, the great majority is from the Septuagint version. Protestant authors Archer and Chirichigno list 340 places where the New Testament cites the Septuagint but only 33 places where it cites from the Masoretic Text rather than the Septuagint (G. Archer and G. C. Chirichigno, Old Testament Quotations in the New Testament: A Complete Survey, 25-32).
Clarification, not Jesus himself, but the other NT authors did. By 130 B.C., Sirach attests to a tripartite structure in Hebrew Scripture-Law, Prophets, and the Writings-but only the Law and Prophets had a fixed list of books; the content of the Writings was uncertain. The Septuagint, on the other hand, arranged books not by content but by style: narrative, poetical, and prophetic. While Moses and the prophets wrote in Hebrew, post-exilic Jews preferred to write in Greek, thus Greek collections soon had books that the Hebrew lists never saw. Because the Septuagint didn’t have a standard list or ordering of books, the included books varied according to collection, with no clear distinction made between earlier and later works. By the Incarnation, synagogues throughout the Near East used versions of the Septuagint that included Tobit, Judith, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, Baruch (including the Letter of Jeremiah), 1-3 Maccabees, the Prayer of Manasseh, Psalm 151, the Book of Jubilees, 1 Esdras, and additions to Esther and Daniel.
Consider your statement “uniquely sacred to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church”. That’s like saying the entire US except for Rhode Island and Connecticut. Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church encompasses a huge majority of Christendom.
Has it been edited? Almost endlessly. Not creating, though.
Comment by David — May 26, 2009 @ 11:57 pm
So you’re saying that because Dr Bruce is an evangelical, that means he’s automatically wrong?
If I’ve misunderstood, please clarify. Perhaps there is something implied in ‘evangelical’ that I’m simply unaware of.
The fact remains that the Septuagint, as it exists *today* is not a Jewish text. Again, this is a statement of simple fact.
You are certainly correct in saying that Jews who were more familiar with Greek relied upon the Septuagint; no argument there. But it did become considerably less popular, around the second century A.D. Remember that after the vast majority of Jews had to flee the Roman Empire, the use of Greek declined.
Perhaps more crucially, discrepancies between the Septuagint and contemporary Hebrew were found. And even Jews who spoke Greek, in Palestine, tended to rely more on other Greek versions of the Jewish texts, such as the Aquila.
At any rate, the Septuagint as it stands today is not a Jewish text and does contain books that are nothing to do with Judaism.
Comment by Jew With A View — May 27, 2009 @ 12:30 am
I hate to disagree with a fellow Christian, Dave, but the reason the New Testament authors quoted the septuagint was because they WEREN’T writing to Jews, but to Greeks most of the time. Realizing the only “Law and Prophets” available to them was septuagint, it made sense to quote it as such.
I can agree with “Jew with a View” that the Septuagint was not a canonical Jewish text outside of the Torah. It does, however, bear some consequence in these discussions to reference it seeing as how heavily it was relied on in synagogue teaching throughout the diaspora.
Comment by Nick Carter — May 27, 2009 @ 3:28 am
Many thanks for your points, Nick
Comment by Jew With A View — May 27, 2009 @ 11:15 am
Not automatically wrong, just not authoritative. Given Dr. Bruce vs a Catholic scholar, I’d automatically take the Catholic scholar.
You say that after the second century it became less popular among Jews, but remember we’re talking about two different things, something I didn’t realize until now. It became the canon for Catholics in the first century.
Comment by David — May 27, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
I’ve never heard of these nutters before;except 30 years ago a jewish lady was waffling on about Jesus at speaker’s corner.
I was in the company of three Jewish pals at the time and
I asked them if this woman was part of any significant group.
One said he’d heard about them but they were regarded as
fools.
And now all these years later, this!
As a gentile I’m aware that the Jewish faith does not encourage converts;and that as a single entity has helped the survival of a rich cultural identity.
The idea of Jews knocking on doors to convert non Jews is
just not Jewish.
I wonder if these characters were former Jehovah’s witnesses who’ve boned up on Jewish culture to start a new cult?
It’s a crazy world!
Comment by hellosnackbar — June 3, 2009 @ 10:59 am
Hey HELLOSNACKBAR
They tend not to be former JWs in fact, but rather a distinct and bizarre Christian movement that is condemned by virtually all mainstream Christian leaders.
Messianics have been around for decades so I’m not surprised you encountered one thirty years ago
They used to call themselves ‘hebrew christians’ and of course, the most well known is the ‘jews4jesus’ group. Then they rebranded and now pose as ‘messianic jews’. They are Christians though – every single one of them. There’s a few EX Jews among them.
And yes, you are totally right – Jews never, ever try and convert others
Thanks for your comments
Comment by Jew With A View — June 3, 2009 @ 1:55 pm