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		<title>By: Jew With A View</title>
		<link>http://ajewwithaview.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/little-green-men/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>Jew With A View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HELLOSNACKBAR:

I do agree with you - though SULTAN KNISH has also made some very valid points :)

But given that in the UK we have all manner of Islamic terrorists and terrorism supporters who are free to peddle their insanity, it does seem insane that Gary McKinnon has been subjected to the full force of the law, while they have not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELLOSNACKBAR:</p>
<p>I do agree with you &#8211; though SULTAN KNISH has also made some very valid points <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But given that in the UK we have all manner of Islamic terrorists and terrorism supporters who are free to peddle their insanity, it does seem insane that Gary McKinnon has been subjected to the full force of the law, while they have not.</p>
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		<title>By: hellosnackbar</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This nonsense with Gary McKinnon and extradition is ludicrous.
Obviously this wildly eccentric loon is not a serious danger to US security interests.
But peevishly they have been resolute with respect to his extradition and possible 50yrs+imprisonment.
This whole matter shames both countries,
Surely it would have been much more sensible to ask Garry how he performed this hacking job;in order that they might update their security precautions.
Instead they clumsy bullying seems nothing more than a childish wish to expiate their embarrassment.
Leave the poor bugger be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This nonsense with Gary McKinnon and extradition is ludicrous.<br />
Obviously this wildly eccentric loon is not a serious danger to US security interests.<br />
But peevishly they have been resolute with respect to his extradition and possible 50yrs+imprisonment.<br />
This whole matter shames both countries,<br />
Surely it would have been much more sensible to ask Garry how he performed this hacking job;in order that they might update their security precautions.<br />
Instead they clumsy bullying seems nothing more than a childish wish to expiate their embarrassment.<br />
Leave the poor bugger be!</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven - Britain doesn&#039;t have a constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven &#8211; Britain doesn&#8217;t have a constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://ajewwithaview.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/little-green-men/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This case somehow reminds me with that of Louise Wood wood.  You may remember around ten years ago, the English nanny on trial in Boston  for allegedly shaken to death the baby she had been looking after. 


 The connection I see is the  passions  the case invokes , while not sure if I had the internet at that time it certainly existed all types of claims and counter claims were being made regarding her innocence  or otherwise.  



As you say &quot;The truth is out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case somehow reminds me with that of Louise Wood wood.  You may remember around ten years ago, the English nanny on trial in Boston  for allegedly shaken to death the baby she had been looking after. </p>
<p> The connection I see is the  passions  the case invokes , while not sure if I had the internet at that time it certainly existed all types of claims and counter claims were being made regarding her innocence  or otherwise.  </p>
<p>As you say &#8220;The truth is out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Jew With A View</title>
		<link>http://ajewwithaview.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/little-green-men/#comment-637</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks SULTAN KNISH for this extra info; later today I&#039;m going to add an update to the original post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks SULTAN KNISH for this extra info; later today I&#8217;m going to add an update to the original post <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sultan Knish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sultan Knish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically though it would appear likely based on his note that McKinnon would have sympathized with many of those Muslim extremists</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically though it would appear likely based on his note that McKinnon would have sympathized with many of those Muslim extremists</p>
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		<title>By: Sultan Knish</title>
		<link>http://ajewwithaview.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/little-green-men/#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>Sultan Knish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the extradition of Islamic terrorists should take priority, and this sort of thing is typical enough of criminal cases involving the government, particularly when it comes to hackers, when the whole thing is ridiculously inflated with all sorts of ominous charges 

hackers who demonstrate bad security, which McKinnon clearly did since he showed blatant laziness and incompetence by Federal employees in classified positions, tend to produce that kind of overreaction in bureaucracies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the extradition of Islamic terrorists should take priority, and this sort of thing is typical enough of criminal cases involving the government, particularly when it comes to hackers, when the whole thing is ridiculously inflated with all sorts of ominous charges </p>
<p>hackers who demonstrate bad security, which McKinnon clearly did since he showed blatant laziness and incompetence by Federal employees in classified positions, tend to produce that kind of overreaction in bureaucracies</p>
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		<title>By: Sultan Knish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sultan Knish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the judgement from parliament mentions it

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd080730/mckinn-1.htm

16.  Analysis of the appellant’s home computer confirmed these allegations. During his interviews under caution, moreover, he admitted responsibility (although not that he had actually caused damage). He stated that his targets were high level US Army, Navy and Air Force computers and that his ultimate goal was to gain access to the US military classified information network. He admitted leaving a note on one army computer reading:

&quot;US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days . . . It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year . . . I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels . . .”

his mother mentions that he was a 9/11 Truther then, but implies that he no longer is

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/01/12/234180/gary-mckinnons-mothers-appeal-to-the-dpp.htm

the UFO thing does make for a better story and makes him more likable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the judgement from parliament mentions it</p>
<p><a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd080730/mckinn-1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd080730/mckinn-1.htm</a></p>
<p>16.  Analysis of the appellant’s home computer confirmed these allegations. During his interviews under caution, moreover, he admitted responsibility (although not that he had actually caused damage). He stated that his targets were high level US Army, Navy and Air Force computers and that his ultimate goal was to gain access to the US military classified information network. He admitted leaving a note on one army computer reading:</p>
<p>&#8220;US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days . . . It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year . . . I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels . . .”</p>
<p>his mother mentions that he was a 9/11 Truther then, but implies that he no longer is</p>
<p><a href="http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/01/12/234180/gary-mckinnons-mothers-appeal-to-the-dpp.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/01/12/234180/gary-mckinnons-mothers-appeal-to-the-dpp.htm</a></p>
<p>the UFO thing does make for a better story and makes him more likable</p>
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		<title>By: Jew With A View</title>
		<link>http://ajewwithaview.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/little-green-men/#comment-633</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks STEVEN :)

I haven&#039;t heard anything about his being a &#039;911 truther&#039; either, but of course that may just be because the British media are supporting his cause and thus don&#039;t want to portray him as anything less than a fully sympathetic character. &lt;em&gt;The Daily Mail&lt;/em&gt;, in particular, has a running campaign to get the extradition order blocked.

It&#039;s certainly an interesting case. And it does illustrate the &#039;lopsided&#039; nature of the British-American extradition treaty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks STEVEN <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard anything about his being a &#8216;911 truther&#8217; either, but of course that may just be because the British media are supporting his cause and thus don&#8217;t want to portray him as anything less than a fully sympathetic character. <em>The Daily Mail</em>, in particular, has a running campaign to get the extradition order blocked.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly an interesting case. And it does illustrate the &#8216;lopsided&#8217; nature of the British-American extradition treaty.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just done a goggle search for Mckinnon,   found his case tagged on to those of &quot;911 truthers. though could not find anything to suggest he is one.   Though may have missed something. 


 True though 911 truthers are quite often, anti Semites , who   circulate the lie that&quot; no Jews died that day.  

    Like    there are  J F K  conspiracy&quot; freaks who claim &quot;Mossad were behind the assasianation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just done a goggle search for Mckinnon,   found his case tagged on to those of &#8220;911 truthers. though could not find anything to suggest he is one.   Though may have missed something. </p>
<p> True though 911 truthers are quite often, anti Semites , who   circulate the lie that&#8221; no Jews died that day.  </p>
<p>    Like    there are  J F K  conspiracy&#8221; freaks who claim &#8220;Mossad were behind the assasianation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew With A View</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SULTAN KNISH:

Thank you for providing that extra bit of context.

I think you sum it up well when you say there has been overreaction on both sides. I suspect one of the reasons so many Brits are outraged at how McKinnon is being treated is because of the sheer number of Muslim extremists that are&lt;strong&gt; not &lt;/strong&gt; being subjected to the same condemnation etc.

Thanks for posting :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SULTAN KNISH:</p>
<p>Thank you for providing that extra bit of context.</p>
<p>I think you sum it up well when you say there has been overreaction on both sides. I suspect one of the reasons so many Brits are outraged at how McKinnon is being treated is because of the sheer number of Muslim extremists that are<strong> not </strong> being subjected to the same condemnation etc.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jew With A View</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lee :)

Excellent points, as always:)

Take a look at Sultan Knish&#039;s comments as well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lee <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Excellent points, as always:)</p>
<p>Take a look at Sultan Knish&#8217;s comments as well <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sultan Knish</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the charges and claims of damage against McKinnon are excessive, he was not simply an innocent UFO enthusiast. McKinnon is a 9/11 Truther and left a Truther message along with a statement that he would continue to disrupt computer systems. This was not simply innocent UFO wackiness, but Truther motivated hacking. 

I&#039;ve seen 9/11 Truthers in action and frankly they are some of the most vile people in the world. And they are second to none when it comes to hating Jews and screaming about Israel. These days there is also overlap with a lot of the general conspiracy crowd, and they all leak into the far right and far left.

There has been general overreaction on both sides, with the American authorities treating him as a master criminal and some British politicians and media treating him as an innocent young martyr who had no idea what he was doing. The truth lies somewhere in between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the charges and claims of damage against McKinnon are excessive, he was not simply an innocent UFO enthusiast. McKinnon is a 9/11 Truther and left a Truther message along with a statement that he would continue to disrupt computer systems. This was not simply innocent UFO wackiness, but Truther motivated hacking. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen 9/11 Truthers in action and frankly they are some of the most vile people in the world. And they are second to none when it comes to hating Jews and screaming about Israel. These days there is also overlap with a lot of the general conspiracy crowd, and they all leak into the far right and far left.</p>
<p>There has been general overreaction on both sides, with the American authorities treating him as a master criminal and some British politicians and media treating him as an innocent young martyr who had no idea what he was doing. The truth lies somewhere in between.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so let me see if I have this correct:

1) A young Israeli man hacked into the IDF computer system in Israel and, once determining that he was not a terrorist, the IDF hired him to handle their computer security;

2) Then, an autistic Scottish man hacks into the US Pentagon and NASA computers and, although he is just looking for information that the US should be turning over to its citizens anyway, the US bullies Britain into sending him to them, &lt;b&gt;even though the British Crown had refused to prosecute him&lt;/b&gt;;

3) Meanwhile, back in Israel, the United States military is providing combat training to terrorists, many of whom are also members of an organization classified by the US itself as a &quot;foreign terrorist organization&quot; (Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades). In addition, the US is also supplying arms to the US-trained terrorists, even after a large amount of those weapons were taken from them by a more highly trained terrorist organization (Hamas). These same US-trained terrorists have been involved in many terrorist attacks against Israel over the years, resulting in hundreds of deaths, including many US citizens.

Have I got that right? I just want to make sure as there is no logic to use in this situation.

So the US bullies Britain into turning McKinnon over to them so they can bury him in their system so deep that nobody will ever hear from him again. All this because the US is raving mad because someone showed the US its military system security was sadly lacking ... &lt;b&gt;something it has been told by the US Government Accounting Office, Congress, Senate and private security firms for years&lt;/b&gt;. The United States doesn&#039;t take kindly to being made a fool of and will generally extract its revenge in the end.

One British prosecutor described McKinnon&#039;s work as the &quot;biggest military computer hack of all time.&quot; So much for feeling safe in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so let me see if I have this correct:</p>
<p>1) A young Israeli man hacked into the IDF computer system in Israel and, once determining that he was not a terrorist, the IDF hired him to handle their computer security;</p>
<p>2) Then, an autistic Scottish man hacks into the US Pentagon and NASA computers and, although he is just looking for information that the US should be turning over to its citizens anyway, the US bullies Britain into sending him to them, <b>even though the British Crown had refused to prosecute him</b>;</p>
<p>3) Meanwhile, back in Israel, the United States military is providing combat training to terrorists, many of whom are also members of an organization classified by the US itself as a &#8220;foreign terrorist organization&#8221; (Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades). In addition, the US is also supplying arms to the US-trained terrorists, even after a large amount of those weapons were taken from them by a more highly trained terrorist organization (Hamas). These same US-trained terrorists have been involved in many terrorist attacks against Israel over the years, resulting in hundreds of deaths, including many US citizens.</p>
<p>Have I got that right? I just want to make sure as there is no logic to use in this situation.</p>
<p>So the US bullies Britain into turning McKinnon over to them so they can bury him in their system so deep that nobody will ever hear from him again. All this because the US is raving mad because someone showed the US its military system security was sadly lacking &#8230; <b>something it has been told by the US Government Accounting Office, Congress, Senate and private security firms for years</b>. The United States doesn&#8217;t take kindly to being made a fool of and will generally extract its revenge in the end.</p>
<p>One British prosecutor described McKinnon&#8217;s work as the &#8220;biggest military computer hack of all time.&#8221; So much for feeling safe in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew With A View</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI STEVEN,

I agree. It is scary that this legislation - intended for terrorist suspects - is now being applied to &#039;ordinary&#039; people. This case is absurd; this man could have been tried in the UK years ago. 

Hopefully the Home Secretary will intervene.... I&#039;m not counting on it though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI STEVEN,</p>
<p>I agree. It is scary that this legislation &#8211; intended for terrorist suspects &#8211; is now being applied to &#8216;ordinary&#8217; people. This case is absurd; this man could have been tried in the UK years ago. </p>
<p>Hopefully the Home Secretary will intervene&#8230;. I&#8217;m not counting on it though!</p>
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